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This came up in an argument with some friends. I know that birds are direct descendants of dinosaurs, shown pretty clearly through the fossil record. However, is it proper to say that birds are dinosaurs, or is there an actual distinction?

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    $\begingroup$ Do you know the concept of monophyly? $\endgroup$ – Remi.b Feb 6 '14 at 11:10
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    $\begingroup$ To comment on common scientific usage, I definitely hear paleontologists refer to "non-avian dinosaurs" when they want to exclude birds. Which implies that they would refer to birds as dinosaurs. $\endgroup$ – seaotternerd Feb 9 '14 at 8:21
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I bet you'll be interested about the concept monophyly. Any human-made group of species (or taxon) like birds dinosaurs, primate, bacteria, angiosperm, reptiles, … are either monophyletic, polyphyletic or paraphyletic. This picture explain the concept When the taxon is monophyletic it is called a clade.

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Monophyletic taxon are those groups of species that can be considered to be objective in the sense that it represents a group of species where each species in the taxon is more related (in terms of time to common ancestor, not according to their genetic similarity) to any other species within the same taxon than to any other species outside this taxon. This is obviously not the case for paraphyletic or polyphyletic taxon.

Typically, we do not consider a parrot or a deer to be reptiles. Therefore, the ususal understanding of "reptiles" makes this taxon paraphyletic. Now, one should not confound the common understanding (what is a reptile in our everyday life) with the strict definition of the taxon Reptilia, which is a monophyletic taxon (or a clade in other words). Probably the best source for exploring the tree of life is tolweb.org. Here, you will find the clade Reptilia (who include birds, snakes, turtles and lizards). Note: Mammals are within the Reptiliomorpha, not the Reptilia.

It is exactly the same issue with the dinosaurs. When we talk about dinosaurs in our everyday life we do not mean birds. But there is a clade called Dinosauria, which include both dinosaurs and birds.

In short, I would say that a bird is a Dinosauria (monophyletic taxon) but is not a dinosaur (paraphyletic taxon). But this little play on word is not a scientific issue but an issue of english usage.

You will also find in this post an introduction to phylogeny

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    $\begingroup$ Some comments: 1) "paraphyletic clade" is an oxymoron; 2) "Monophyletic clades are those clades": again, clades can be only monophyletic by definition; 3) "clades ... can be considered to be objective": clades exist or do not exist irrespective of our considerations; 4) "more related" is very dubious term in this context, which could be here incorrectly understood as "more (genetically) similar"; 5) Reptilia doesn't include mammals on tolweb. $\endgroup$ – har-wradim Feb 6 '14 at 11:51
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    $\begingroup$ @har-wradim Indeed there were many corrections to do. I hope I fixed the problems. I confused the words taxon and clade. Thank you for your comments. Please feel free to edit the answer yourself in order to improve it. $\endgroup$ – Remi.b Feb 6 '14 at 12:25
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    $\begingroup$ English usage is definitely evolving on this one. I'd say "Birds are dinosaurs" is the new "spiders aren't insects" - it's getting into the repertoire of the annoying know-it-all who has learned cool scientific facts and insists on sharing them with the world. Some references : xkcd.com/1211, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_birds (notice "birds are a group of theropod dinosaurs"...) $\endgroup$ – Oosaka Mar 7 '17 at 16:16
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    $\begingroup$ @RozennKeribin I strongly disagree - the distinction between birds and dinosaurs is much muddier (@Remi.b's mono/paraphyletic distinction is excellently described) than the distinction between spiders and insects. $\endgroup$ – Bryan Krause Mar 7 '17 at 16:21
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    $\begingroup$ You are begging the question. Dinosaurs: not monophyletic if "Dinosaurs" is defined so as to exclude birds. And what I am saying is that in modern English usage, that definition is no longer so clear-cut as to exclude birds; there is an increasing number of people who use the vernacular "dinosaur" to mean "belongs to the clade Dinosauria", and to explicitly include birds. I'm not talking biology here, I'm talking an evolution in the English language. $\endgroup$ – Oosaka Mar 7 '17 at 16:42

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