I've come across a spruce tree that is growing 15ft up in the crotch of a sugar maple tree:

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According to Google StreetView, the spruce has been there since before 2007 (over 10 years ago!).

I've seen other trees growing out of rotted stumps or in trunks near ground level before, but I've always just assumed that the roots of those trees reached down to soil -- in one way or another -- to get the nutrients they need for survival.

But with the subject tree, it's so high up that I would assume that that the roots do not have access to any soil. It's my guess that the spruce is getting all of its nutrients from decomposed wood in some rotten portion of the trunk.

I didn't know biology worked like this. I wouldn't have guessed that a live, partially decomposed trunk could contain 100% of the nutrients that a tree needs to survive for 10+ years. I know soil is made, in part, from decomposed wood, but it's my understanding that there are a lot more ingredients too.

Can the decomposed wood in a partially rotted trunk completely sustain a tree?

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    $\begingroup$ keep in mind the biggest nutrient it needs is water, which the tree will catch enough of as long as the spruce stays small, as it grows however this will cease to be true. $\endgroup$
    – John
    Apr 20, 2017 at 20:52
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    $\begingroup$ Is the maple rotting? It would be interesting if the spruce was parasitizing it somehow. $\endgroup$
    – canadianer
    Apr 21, 2017 at 1:47
  • $\begingroup$ @canadianer I don't know for sure that the trunk of the maple is rotting. It's just a best guess, since the spruce needs to get food from somewhere, right? I'd probably get arrested if I drove up with a ladder, propped it up against this person's boulevard tree, and started rummaging around. Wish I could though! $\endgroup$
    – User1974
    Apr 21, 2017 at 2:34
  • $\begingroup$ @canadianer Since your name is canadianer, you might be interested that this tree is in the GTA. $\endgroup$
    – User1974
    Apr 21, 2017 at 2:36
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    $\begingroup$ Yes you'll need a flashlight and a diversion… ;) $\endgroup$
    – canadianer
    Apr 21, 2017 at 2:40

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Note This answer makes the presumption that the crotch in the maple's trunk is indeed a breach through its bark, and does reach the inner woody tissues.

The heartwood of most trees consists of the dead connective tissues, xylem, which surrounded the cells that once formed the living layer of phloem under the protective bark. That connective tissue itself mostly cellulose, and is a polymeric chain of glucose i.e. sugar molecules bonded and linked in such a way as to make them indigestible to most lifeforms.
Certain bacteria and fungi, among others, are able to do so, and they are among the first responders in the decomposition scene. When these microbes, often present in the gut of various insects, are able to break down the woody fibers into forms that permit their re-use by other plants, the detritus is comprised mostly of carbohydrates, alcohols, carbonic acid, and water. Phosphates and various other trace elements which were present in the cells of the woody tissues are released also.
Later, visiting birds and mosses will further augment the ecosystem, adding nitrates and various salts — potassium, sodium, chlorides, and the like.

Another thing that needs to be considered is the drainage. Where does the excess water go? Pressure on the capillaries inside the xylem of the maple should be able to channel some water downwards, but not much will exit through the roots. I've never heard of such a thing. The hole in the maple will widen and exacerbate, deepening the rotted area, but it will be acidic and somewhat saline due to the lack of drainage.

Can it completely sustain another tree? As the ecosystem flourishes, probably; unless the new tree has special requirements for the pH or salinity of its soil which are not maintained by the rotten wood, then it should be able to gain enough nutrition in the form of nitrates, phosphates, and water, but not all of that will come from the other tree directly.

The branches of a tree will only grow so large as can be sustained by their root system, of course. The limited space in which this little sapling has taken root will result in the less than maximal form that you see in the photographs.

So, in conclusion, that spruce will probably not thrive by any means, but it will manage to survive. Spruces do favor more acidic soils — lower pH — than many other trees, so it has that going in its favor.
That much is obvious, I suppose: ten years, and it no larger than a four–year shrub.

There is a problem if all this occurs inside a tree which has not fallen, however. Usually, the outer bark of a tree protects it from such decompositional actions, because the inner woody tissues of most trees do not contain adequate chemicals to deter insects and fungi from chomping or ‘mycelizing’ their way through the heartwood.
Eventually, the maple will either need to be cut down or will be weakened enough that it will collapse.

  • $\begingroup$ Thorough and interesting answer. But please add some references to support your claims. Thanks. $\endgroup$ Apr 26, 2017 at 16:20

Well, holes in rotting trees are not only going to contain rotten tree matter (aka compost :p), but they will also slowly gather fallen leaves, dead insects, dirt, dust and other debris. Even minuscule layers of these substances will essentially form a pile of "soil" with nutrients and minerals needed by the tree.

  • In fact, spruce trees are capable of growing on relatively thin soils and often grow with very shallow root systems[Source].

  • B/c so little of these substances can exist there, however, the tree will never grow large and will likely not live nearly as long as it's species' mean lifespan. But sometimes nature does funny things.

So it's not unheard of for plant to survive in these conditions.

Plants that grow (harmlessly) on other plants are called Epiphytes, and they derive moisture and nutrients from the air, rain and debris accumulating around them.

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  • Though epiphytes are much more common and diverse in the tropics, common epiphytes that those of us living in less tropical places might recognize include mosses and lichens (and to some degree ferns).

It is true that many tropical epiphytes have modified biologies/anatomies to capture and mineralize nutrients from air and rain water (Yoon Lee, n.d.), but some epiphytic species do develop roots to take advantage of soil/debris/decomposed materials that have accumulated. (Cardelus & Mack, 2010)

  • Yoon Lee compared these accumulations of "arboreal soil" to terrestrial soil and found there were no significant differences in all primary nutrients between epiphytic and terrestrial soils, but that pH between the two soils differed significantly.


  • Cardelús, C. L., & Mack, M. C. (2010). The nutrient status of epiphytes and their host trees along an elevational gradient in Costa Rica. Plant Ecology, 207(1), 25-37.

  • Lee, Yoon. n.d. Nutrient contentand biota of epiphytic and terrestrial soils in a tropical forest in Moorea, French Polynesia. unpublished. UC Berkeley.


In the Hoh Rainforest in Olympic National park, there are many "nurse trees" and "nurse logs"; the latter are trees that have fallen and now act as a nutrient source for smaller trees growing on them.

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Some of the larger trees' roots find their way into the soil, which facilitates their growth, but some smaller trees do not.

...but it's my understanding that there are a lot more ingredients too.

I would not say 'a lot', but rather 'some', mostly water. The log provides most of the nutrients the new tree needs, the rest being supplied by rain, fungi, mosses, leaf litter, etc.

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    $\begingroup$ I think you should be more detailed with regards to the nutrients: Fungi can't, so far as I know, obtain elemental nutrition except from their substrate; some mosses can, via symbiotic bacteria, fix nitrogen from the air; rain may contain in dissolved state whatever compounds were present in the raincloud where it formed — sulfur, nitrogen, halogens, et al. $\endgroup$ Apr 21, 2017 at 2:17
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    $\begingroup$ @can-ned_food - I intended to say that these (fungi, mosses, leaf litter, etc.) can break down the tree and free as well as provide nutrients. If you're looking for halogens in my answer, you'll need to supply an answer of your own. I'm definitely not a botanist. $\endgroup$ Apr 21, 2017 at 2:25

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