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I was reading an article, which it mentions that lobsters do not have a nervous system:

Lobsters have very poor eyesight and no nervous system. They walk slowly on the sea floor but are capable of swimming backwards by the curling and uncurling movement of their abdomen.

But in Wikipedia, I read that only 3 types of multi cellular animals do not posses a nervous system:

The only multicellular animals that have no nervous system at all are sponges, placozoans, and mesozoans, which have very simple body plans.

Which none of them seemed like a lobster to me. In this answer, it is claimed that every living organism feels pain somehow.

Now I would like to know the answers of these questions:

  1. Is the article about the lobsters true? They have no nervous system which means they feel no pain even if killed?
  2. Is the claim in the answer true? Literally one of the claims must be wrong, since they conflict with each other somehow.
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    $\begingroup$ As for the answer you linked to, it states: I believe every living organism (even single cell ones) experience pain somehow, which is hardly a scientific claim. Also: The scientific answer depends on how you define pain, which is an important caveat. If you were to define pain as the ability to sense damaging stimuli (which to me seems inappropriate), then every organisms indeed can feel pain. $\endgroup$ – canadianer Jun 19 '17 at 22:54
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    $\begingroup$ "I was reading an article, which it mentions that lobsters do not have a nervous system:" - Neuroscientist chiming in here... this is a really good cue you should stop reading the article if you are looking for science. $\endgroup$ – Bryan Krause Jun 19 '17 at 23:05
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    $\begingroup$ Lobsters have "No nervous system"? it goes against my very basic understanding of animal anatomy and histology. $\endgroup$ – Always Confused Jun 20 '17 at 13:18
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    $\begingroup$ @AlwaysConfused That's why i asked it here. But the comments seem like its a crime to ask. $\endgroup$ – Jack Johansson Jun 20 '17 at 13:43
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    $\begingroup$ @JackJohansson Would anyone here told not-to ask questions here? looks like none of the currently visible commentators said not to ask questions. Yes, moderation is tough here, but to me it seems the question is not being criticized... rather the web article is being criticized. $\endgroup$ – Always Confused Jun 20 '17 at 13:48
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Before answer, What intuitively seems:

  • Lobsters structurally contains sense-organs like eye and antennae, and output organs like muscles through which they move. So plausibly these organs should be plausibly connected to its controllers, i.e. neurons. The basic histology found in very primitive multicellular animals like Hydra, Planaria to advanced animals like human.

  • Lobsters are able to respond the stimuli. They move, they prey their food, they met for sexual reproduction. So it is very unlikely they do it without a very complex nervous mechanism.

  • Lobsters are not surprisingly different in structure than any other crustacean arthropods. So it is very unlikely that lobsters would have so much drastic anatomical difference from other allied members.



What references says:

Arthropods:

The arthropod body plan can be seen as an elaboration of the segmented body of an elaboration of the segmented body of annelids, although arthropods show a higher degree of cephalization than do the annelids. The outer surface of the arthropod is a rigid, many-layered cuticle, and the segments of the body bear jointed appendages.

The nervous system of arthropods consist of a 'brain' in the form of dorsal- ganglion , connected by a nerve collar around the gut to the first ganglion of the ventral- nerve cord. The nerve cord is double, with segmental ganglia. Probably because of the heavy external skeleton, the arthropods have a great variety of sensory organs connecting their central nervous system with the external environment.

-Advanced BIOLOGY, Principles and Applications/ CJ Clegg and D G Mackean/ Reprint 1999/ John Murray publication.

Crustaceans:

they have a small brain behind their eyes and a series of ‘mini brains’ or ‘ganglia’ (the plural of ganglion) in the nerve cord that runs along the body on the ventral (underneath) side.

Here are some screenshots from the above mentioned Google book article.

CRAYFISH

Diagrams and photos of nerve-features of Procambarus, a crayfish(not to be confused with fish).

HOMARUS

Nervous system diagram contains nervous system diagrams of Homarus, a lobster.

The same google book preview also shown the development of ladder like double-nerve-cord .

*Homarus* ladder

Developmental stages of ventral ladderlike nerve cord in Homarus.

On the same Google book preview I found a more functional diagram (neuron response curves) of the crayfish, Procambarus

Procambarus

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Lobsters:

Lobsters have compound eyes, as do most arthropods, but these are stalked to provide a broader field of view and increased binocular spread. In clawed lobsters, each eye has 13,500 ommatidia which are light capturing, image forming organs. Lobster eyes are adapted for use in low-light environments, but appear to be only monochromatic (no true color discrimination ability). How good is their eyesight? How much do they rely on it, relative to other sensory systems like smell, taste, or touch? Lobsters, with their eyes perched on top of their heads, certainly detect shadows of potential predators looming above them - - whether that detection is perceived simply as quick changes in light intensity or whether an image is formed is not known. Lobsters also use some obvious visual displays in agonistic encounters. Still, chemical and tactile senses appear to be the keys to successful social encounters and prey detection. However, vision in lobsters has not been well studied.

Even though lobsters live in a watery world, they have highly developed systems of both smell and taste. The first antennae, properly known as antennules (little antennae), act as the "nose" of the lobster. Hundreds of fine hairs cover the antennules and are the actual organs of smell. These hairs are incredibly sensitive to amino acids, the building blocks of all proteins, of which animal tissue is made. However, the hairs are densely packed on the antennules and this proves to be a problem in a watery environment. Water is much more viscous (sticker) than air, as oils are more viscous than water. When fine structures are densely packed together and placed in a water environment, the water between these structures is not easily moved - - in other words, a boundary of nonmoving water is formed around the structure. In order for a lobster to be able to smell something, or to be able to walk towards a smell, it has to constantly sample the chemicals in the water to determine their changing concentration. Lobsters do this in the same way that humans do - - they sniff. Sniffing is accomplished by flicking the antennule downward quickly - - this removes the old water and replaces it with new water and a new odor sample. Flicking can be easily observed by watching a lobster in a tank (at an aquarium,restaurant, supermarket, or lobster pound) for just a few moments. Because lobsters have two antennules, they can determine the direction of the smell by comparing the difference in concentrations between the two antennules. Humans use a similar mechanism for distinguishing between different concentrations (noise levels) of the same signal to determine the direction of sounds.

Lobsters also possess proprioreceptors - - sensory hairs that are internal and provide information about limb movement, posture, and equilibrium. These are generally located at joints and within muscles and are stimulated when the joint is bent or straightened and when the muscles are stretched. Proprioreception is critical to maintaining proper posture and coordination during movements.

Lobsters are also capable of producing and detecting low-frequency sounds. Clawed lobsters produce a growl or rasplike sound by contracting a small sonic muscle in the base of the large antennae. These sounds are not made during social interactions, but have been recorded for lobsters resting in their shelters and can be felt (not heard) when a human pulls a lobster from its tank or natural habitat. Their purpose is completely unknown, but may have something to do with defense. In contrast, spiny lobsters possess a stridulatory organ at the base of the second antennae that makes a variety of sounds: rasps (during aggressive encounters or when predators are nearby), slow rattles/flutters (when secluded), pops (when the lobster is out of its shelter), and mating calls. They do not, however, possess the functional equivalent of ears and thus do not hear these sounds in the same fashion as we do. But sounds are simply vibrations that travel through the medium they are produced in (air or water) and thus, they can be detected by mechanoreceptors that are sensitive to water vibrations.

Though, however; this webpage did not display the references for their so detailed informations.



The dispute :

The above mentioned website, Wikipedia, and some other website mentioned about this dispute. Several of the website (including OP's mentioned) supported the view that lobsters/ crustaceans don't feel pain; some put a more-or-less neutral opinion (like wikipedia, Lobsters conservancy). Some website such as PETA strongly offended this view and clearly expressed it as a popular believe.

Some people believe that shrimps, crabs, and lobsters—all of whom are more closely related to insects than to vertebrate animals—cannot feel pain at all. But recent scientific studies have shown that crustaceans have central nervous systems very much capable of generating the sensation of pain. Crustaceans release stress hormones (analogous to our adrenal hormones) in response to painful events. If you’ve ever seen a lobster or crab lowered into a pot of boiling water, you’ve seen these animals fight just as hard for their lives as any other animal would in the same situation. A lobster can’t scream, but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t feel agony in the time it takes for him to boil to death. And crustaceans suffer in other ways—they are often transported alive to restaurants and grocery stores and crowded into tanks where they are so stressed that their claws must be banded shut to prevent them from attacking each other.


My opinion about this problem; is nothing but people might overthinking a certain belief, and the logical barrier to both prove or disprove it, is the problems of qualia.. And also, "lobsters don't have nervous system" is a drastic misinformation, a really bad news for science; But basically lobsters are no different from other animals.

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    $\begingroup$ this answers whether they have a nervous system but does not answer whether or not they feel pain. (a copy pasted peta article is not a reputable source) Plenty of animals with a nervous system have only a reflex response to pain with no awareness of it, (sea slugs are the classic example). You went through a great deal of effort to show the former and could have easily tracked down the referenced paper for the former. $\endgroup$ – John Jun 24 '17 at 14:58
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To answer if lobsters have a nervous system:

YES


References:

Mapping of serotonin-like immunoreactivity in the lobster nervous system BS Beltz, EA Kravitz Journal of Neuroscience 1 March 1983, 3 (3) 585-602

http://umaine.edu/lobsterinstitute/education/life-of-the-american-lobster/anatomy-biology/


Bonus picture:

http://faculty.sdmiramar.edu/alowe/Lobster.pdf

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Yes they feel pain, at least in certain areas of their body without a doubt. Research has been done to test whether they feel pain consciously (a signal to the brain that is perceived allows for learned response) or if it is just a reflex response (Nociception), and there is good evidence they actually perceive it especially in the antenna.

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    $\begingroup$ Now that's something i liked to know, despite the other comments that aren't any constructive. Thanks! $\endgroup$ – Jack Johansson Jun 20 '17 at 9:03
  • $\begingroup$ @JackJohansson Actually comments are not for answering, (this help article discusses usage of commenting here) and it may take time to get answer. Because there are rules for answering, and it may take time to reach the potential answerer. Though short hint as comment sometimes tolerated here, basically if an user post an answer in form of comment, it receives high criticism. Mainly because answering as comment makes them less-trackable, and comments are very prone to deletion. $\endgroup$ – Always Confused Jun 21 '17 at 3:58
  • $\begingroup$ Can you please provide a source? $\endgroup$ – problemofficer Jul 29 '17 at 17:30
  • $\begingroup$ There already is one but I'll add another. $\endgroup$ – John Jul 29 '17 at 22:59

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