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The Phanerozoic eon has had 5 major extinction events and 3 major radiation events. After the Cambrian and Ordovician radiations came all five of the major extinction events, the last of which (Cretaceous-Paleogene) occurred during the last major radiation event (Mesozoic-Cenozoic). This timeline suggests the freeing of previously occupied ecological niches isn't the primary driver of major radiations. (However, the Cretaceous-Palaeogene extinction freed niches during the Mesozoic-Cenozoic radiation, and this may be part of why it continued for so long rather than being a purely Mesozoic event.) Although Wikipedia generally gives a good account of suggested reasons for major extinctions, and also for the Cambrian and Ordovician radiation events, it provides no real such detail for the Mesozoic-Cenozoic radiation. What are its conjectured causes?

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  • $\begingroup$ I'm confused. I always thought that the impact separating the mesozoic from the Cenozoic, which killed the non-avian dinosaurs, and many other lineages freed niches for mammals and birds to fill. Is this no longer the explanation? $\endgroup$ – Karl Kjer Apr 21 '18 at 22:15
  • $\begingroup$ @KarlKjer I thought so too, but to quote Wikipedia, "The Mesozoic–Cenozoic Radiation began in the mid-Mesozoic and extends through the Cenozoic". So it seems that, however much the extinction event may have helped the radiation event continue, it started somewhat earlier. $\endgroup$ – J.G. Apr 21 '18 at 22:16
  • $\begingroup$ Oh yes. For example, pterosaurs were on the decline. There were a variety of non-impact-related causes. But the impact finished the deal, and it was (as far as I know) mostly the opening of new niches made possible by mass extinction. $\endgroup$ – Karl Kjer Apr 21 '18 at 22:21
  • $\begingroup$ @KarlKjer In which case, I suppose, it was some minor extinctions that started the radiation. $\endgroup$ – J.G. Apr 21 '18 at 22:32
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There is no real start to a radiation event.

First there are many mass extinctions and many radiation events, what you are referring to are just the most notable ones. also the big five do not occur after the odrivian the first occurs directly before. Radiation events happen after every mass extinction even minor ones, the amount of radiation corresponds well with the severity of the extinction. The big five and the big three are just the ones we find the most interesting, not the largest, note graph below). The ordovician radiation event happened directly after the cambrian–ordovician extinction event for instance. And there was a massive diversification after the P_T extinction, it just does not get as much press because almost all the major players become extinct in later extinction events and becasue there are fewer fossils from that time period. Every extinction event is followed by a radiation event. the Mesozoic-Cenozoic radiation is a large radiation because of the KT mass extinction otherwise it would just be the normal background biodiversity turnover.

Essentially radiations are always happening, there is always some radiation going one in some clades. But if you suddenly wipe out a large number of species and organisms, many of those what survive will be the ones that were radiating simple becasue they were small fast breeding generalists which is also the group that radiate a lot. Small fast breeding generalists are what what best survive mass extinctions and a group that does a lot of radiating. There is also a large anthropomorphic component to this, if you take the tree of life and make a radom slice across it anywhere it sill look like many of the groups that survive are radiating becasue all the other radiation events are cut off, while we ignore stable groups becasue they are stable. You can even notice that the radiation of different groups start at different times but then explode after the event. Almost as if our artificial lines between groups is not a great predictor of diversification events. Radiation events are not one off occurrences with clear cut beginnings and ends but a prolonged uptick in an ongoing system with a lot of variation. there is no clear cut start to radiation events imagine trying to pick the exact second summer or winter begins using nothing but temperature data, there is just to much noise due to local and daily condition to make any such point anything but arbitrary.

So the large scale radiations is still caused by the extinction event, it however will almost always look like it was happening earlier becasue on a small scale it never really stops, and where we draw the lines for groups does not correlate well with radiation events, yet we still use it to decide which "groups" are radiating.

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If you look at this paper and its graph you can see this effect in angiosperms. The group originates and begins to diversify before the KT but a massive upswing in diversity happens after (actually fairly long after, once the climate/extinction has stabilized)

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  • $\begingroup$ The Big 5 are OS, LD, PT, TJ and KT, so they do all occur after the Ordovician began. You're right that extinction events drive radiation to some extent. But that leaves open the question of which extinctions encouraged MC, and overlooks the possibility other factors drove it too. Explanations of the Cambrian & Ordovician radiations are much broader than then-recent extinction. $\endgroup$ – J.G. Apr 22 '18 at 6:21
  • $\begingroup$ And those five are not the largest just the ones we pay the most attention to. $\endgroup$ – John Apr 22 '18 at 15:55
  • $\begingroup$ Is it your contention that extinction events are the only causes of the Mesozoic-Cenozoic radiation? Because while extinctions may have contributed to earlier radiation events, they were often not their only cause. $\endgroup$ – J.G. Apr 22 '18 at 16:04
  • $\begingroup$ no if you read my post I mention that radiation is always occuring they become major eents when extinction clears a wide swath of niches.Radiation events are not one off occurrences but a prolonged uptick in and system with a lot of variation. there is no clear cut start to radiation events. $\endgroup$ – John Apr 22 '18 at 16:10

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