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Based on my research on how mRNA vaccines (specifically for COVID-19) work:

An mRNA sequence, that contains the sequence of the coronavirus spike protein, is absorbed by some cells. These cells now produce foreign coronavirus spike protein. These cells then present some of the produced foreign spike protein on their surface via MHC I complexes so that they can activate a cytotoxic T cell and cause it to produce lots of copies of itself (cell-mediated immune response). Some of the foreign spike proteins are also released from the transfected cells which allow for B cells to activate a humoral immune response and for professional antigen-presenting cells to present the foreign spike protein on MHC II complexes to activate helper T cells.

My Question:

As far as I understand it, once a cytotoxic T cell encounters a cell that has a foreign protein presented on an MHC I complex, the T cell kills the cell that has presented the foreign protein before it leaves. This means the cells transfected with mRNA through the COVID-19 vaccine (even though a coronavirus hasn't actually hijacked them) will eventually be killed by cytotoxic T cells that encounter them since they are presenting foreign spike proteins on their surface. Is this not toxic for the body since it is killing your own cells? Or does the fact that the mRNA sequences are not self-replicating contain these cell deaths to only the transfected cells and only a few cells die in this process so that the vaccine is not toxic overall?

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There is a question on stackexchange that is not only related Why cytotoxic T cells don't kill dendritic cells when they present antigen?

Your question refers to "some cells" (explanatory text) and "transfected cells". Thus, any cell that takes up the m-RNA-vaccine is referred to. However, any answer must be based on the different types of cells involved in immunization, vaccination and - in killing infected cells, in the end. There are the immune cells which present antigen, there are, as well, the body cells which present.

The explanatory text of your question speaks of "presentation". The very first paragraph of Wikipedia on "Antigen presentation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antigen_presentation seems to even limit the term "presentation" to presentation by immune cells, which would exclude any body cells, like muscle cells transfected with vaccine antigen. This might illustrate that immune cells are different from body cells in respect of presentation of antigen that becomes target of cytotoxic t-cells.

Both immune and body cells take up antigene, however the immune cells, by presenting prime naive T-cells, i.e. activate the T-cells. The related question cited asks about the fate of the immune cells.

As for the fate of body cells like muscle cells you refer to in the last paragraph of your question the video message you link to in your own answer seems to refer to those body cells: transfected cells will simply be killed, but not enough of them to cause harm.

Here are additional remarks, enjoy: I think it is an open question if the transfection as such would lead to cell death (assuming some failure of cytotoxic T-cells, not doing their job). Think of vaccination that transfects with "attenuated", if not live virus: even if the virus is incapable of - natural - replication it is unlikely that the host cell whose ribosome machinery has been usurped can keep up its metabolism. I would like to be allowed to mark the following as a new thought of mine: the fact that the antigen is being presented speaks in favour of the cell not being able to survive - which is counterintuitively (how can a cell infected by virus still be able to digest, process, transport and present antigen on its MHCs, at all? Looks like it will stay alive.) From the very fact of antigen presentation it is possible to infere, in my opinion, that the cell will not survive transfection. Host cells may have their own, inner defence mechanisms which are able to beat infection without any presentation of antigen - think of "interferon", but also, nowadays, of double stranded RNA, dsRNA. A cell that is successful in defeating the virus without engaging the adaptive immune response would cancel out its survival by presenting and attracting cytotoxic t-cells. So it is a possibility that cells in spite of being transfected by mRnA vaccine do not die. However, that would be considered a vaccine failure. So with effective vaccination transfected body cells will die.

Caveat: from my reading of textbooks it is a possibility that vaccination might be effective even if body cells are not transfected, but that is beyond your question. Premise of your question is that a cell is being transfected (then what happens?).

A reference on the possibility that a "transfected cell" might survive by self defence would be "RNA interference", https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RNA_interference

Last not least - see the video you linked to - there is "B cell immunity". To my mind it is a possibility that B-cells become transfected by mRNA vaccine - if so, they should present the antigen as an endogenous on to cytotoxic T-cells which makes your question very relevant in respect to B-cells, in my opinion. However, B-cells produce antibodies, considered most important in vaccination. This speaks in favour of B-cells taking up antigen via their B-Cell receptor that should be among cell debris of transfected cells that died - for instance few muscle cells transfected by vaccine. What you need here, in respect of B-cells is authority on either cross-presentation of endogenous antigen by B-cells (if mRNA is being uptaken through membrane, if B cells are transfected) or, authority on B-cells "only cleaning" up dead cell's antigen as part of dead cells, killed by virus or immune cells.

My answer is in line with the answer you already gave - elaborating on what is in fact causing the cell's death:

"Do mRNA vaccines cause transfected cells to be killed by cytotoxic T cells?"

Yes, mRNA vaccines cause transfected cells to die.

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    $\begingroup$ "So it is a possibility that cells in spite of being transfected by mRnA vaccine do not die. However, that would be considered a vaccine failure." Absolutely wrong. Further mRNA doesn't last forever in cells, so it's entirely plausible the intra-cell infection clears without the cell dying. It's not at all a given the cell will be killed before the exogenous mRNA inside it "runs out". medicalsciences.stackexchange.com/questions/25522/… $\endgroup$ Commented Nov 2, 2021 at 13:52
  • $\begingroup$ Interesting you say "absolutely wrong" - as I cling to "would be considered" (a failure). Literally: to consider that way would be absolutely wrong? The faster, better the vaccine works the sooner T-cytotoxic cells will kill the transfected cells presenting. Conversely, any no showing up of killer cells might be termed a failure. Still, I will try to amend my answer. Thank you! $\endgroup$ Commented Nov 4, 2021 at 10:44
  • $\begingroup$ @Fizz re "It's not at all a given the cell will be killed before the exogenous mRNA inside it "runs out". - Any reference I'd consider valuable. What happens to antigen once expressed on MHC? Your premise: antigen on MHC vanishes mRNA "inside runs out", correct? Did you know that antigen presented on MHC is returned and recycled to the cytoplasm? Is it being "re-presented" then, again? Alternatively, "to recycle" includes hiding away from? P.S. Remove to chat is all right with me. $\endgroup$ Commented Nov 4, 2021 at 13:57
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“Is this not toxic for the body since it is killing your own cells? ”

Yes, cytotoxic T cells do kill mRNA vaccine-transfected cells, but not to the extent of harming your body. This is because the mRNA vaccine cannot be not integrated into the host genome, mRNA then will be degraded after translation within hours, preventing spike proteins variants to be continuously produced. Meanwhile, these locally produced antigens will mark the cells as "transfected", and induce immune response against the virus, including the activation of cytotoxic T cells, which directly kill the infected cells without damaging healthy tissues [1]. In some people, this process might cause some degrees of inflammatory responses, including pain, redness, swelling, fever, etc [2].

Individual vaccine antigens induce innate immune responses that may differ qualitatively or quantitatively according to the vaccine composition, but that induce a good adaptive immune response.

Once all transfected cells are eliminated and the antigens are no longer present, the level of antigen specific cytotoxic T cells will return to baseline [3].

Resources

  1. Wadhwa A, Aljabbari A, Lokras A, Foged C, Thakur A. Opportunities and Challenges in the Delivery of mRNA-Based Vaccines. Pharmaceutics. 2020; 12(2):102. https://doi.org/10.3390/pharmaceutics12020102

  2. Hervé, C., Laupèze, B., Del Giudice, G. et al. The how’s and what’s of vaccine reactogenicity. npj Vaccines 4, 39 (2019). https://doi.org/10.1038/s41541-019-0132-6

  3. DiPiazza AT, Graham BS, Ruckwardt TJ. T cell immunity to SARS-CoV-2 following natural infection and vaccination. Biochem Biophys Res Commun. 2021;538:211-217. doi:10.1016/j.bbrc.2020.10.060

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    $\begingroup$ Additionally: This happens as well to virus infected cells, but to a much greater extent. $\endgroup$
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cells transfected with mRNA through the COVID-19 vaccine (even though a coronavirus hasn't actually hijacked them) will eventually be killed by cytotoxic T cells that encounter them since they are presenting foreign spike proteins on their surface.

It's not a given that happens before the exogenous mRNA inside the cell runs out. There's a decay process for mRNA of any kind, and exogenous mRNA is particularly targeted by intracell innate responses like TLR7 (although mRNA vaccines try to counter this with nucleoside modification, which delays the process).

Further, MHC-I isn't a flag that goes up an stays like that forever until the cell is killed. MHC-I is subject to recycling.... and it's a darn complicated process whose duration depends whether the MHC-I is fully or sub-optimally loaded, but it happens regardless of whether any killer T cell shows up to answer the "suicide-by-cop 911 call" or not.

Both the question and the 3 existing answers to it apply the "deterministic computer model" to biology, taking processes that in reality happen with some probability (which may be pretty low) as being 100%.

And it turns out that nucleoside modification has a somewhat surprising side effect: it reduces killer T-cells leaving helper T-cell activations intact (which help with the production of antibodies). One review mentioned that

Comparative studies performed by our research group and others demonstrated that nucleoside-modified mRNA LNPs outperformed unmodified mRNA LNPs in translation capacity, but failed to elicit successful CTL [cytotoxic T cell] responses due to the drastically reduced production of type I IFNs [119, 157].

The research group which wrote that review seems focused on cancer immunotherapeutics, and the two cited studies definitely are about that. The lackluster CTL activation is a big deal for cancer therapy, but not really a problem for priming your immune system against an infectious disease you haven't yet encountered "for real".

In the 1st of those two papers cited there's an interesting [pair of] graph[s], showing the point I mentioned previous about killer vs helper T-cells.

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And since mRNA vaccines are normally injected in skeletal muscle, it's also worth knowing that

Muscle fibers do not normally express major histocompatibility complex class I (MHC-I) molecules, and their reexpression is a hallmark of inflammatory myopathies.

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  • $\begingroup$ Last paragraph - so interesting! Let us know what did you Google to find that reference, please. Isn't it common textbook knowledge that any i.e. all nucleated cells express MHCI? So "overexpression" in that paper to be understood as "expression at all", as basic expression is zero? And, this is in favour of any regular, non-immune-system host cell needs not be targeted for immuization, which is by dendritic, APC, cells and lymphocytes alone, to successfully occur? $\endgroup$ Commented Nov 4, 2021 at 14:14
  • $\begingroup$ Quote: "MHC-I is subject to recycling...." - I think you are right that recycling does not imply any "restauration" i.e. any "come back" of what has been "recycled". When watching recycling of a motorcyle do no await any new"1", smile. Quoting your quote at "darned": "...removed from the surface followed by intracellular degradation or recycling to the cell surface, in a process likely involving ..." - Surprise: there is "no interdiction of reconstitution": is spike antigen presented on MHC recycled to surface or not? Again, what did you google, I'm out for even more reference, thanks! $\endgroup$ Commented Nov 4, 2021 at 14:27
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    $\begingroup$ Maybe of interest to you: B Cao, "Muscle stem cells can act as antigen-presenting cells..." in case you do further research on muscle cells not expressing MHC. There is more reference, stating muscle cells, under normal circumstances, do express "some" MHC, which wouldn't be zero. Of general interest, why not eleborate? Muscle cells are fused cells, multinucleated (textbook wisdom: "all nucleated cells feature MHC"). $\endgroup$ Commented Nov 6, 2021 at 18:21
  • $\begingroup$ @PeterBernhard: thanks; the abstract doesn't say anything about MHC though. I'll have to look into the paper to see what mechanism (if any) is being suggested. The paper simply uses an Ad vector.... speaking of which there's a Q about those here (being effective vectors for expressing genes in muscles): biology.stackexchange.com/questions/97523/… $\endgroup$ Commented Nov 6, 2021 at 18:26
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According to the person who made this video's response to my comment asking this question, the transfected cells are killed by cytotoxic T cells, but the amount of transfected cells dying is not enough to cause irreparable harm since the cells regenerate themselves fairly quickly through division. Plus, the acquired cell-mediated in addition to humoral immunity is well worth the risk of an mRNA vaccine over a standard protein vaccine (which only leads to humoral immunity). If anyone has a better answer than this please let me know.

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  • $\begingroup$ muscle cells do no regenerate, and covid vaccine is done to muscle cells $\endgroup$ Commented Jul 26, 2021 at 14:15
  • $\begingroup$ @ManudeHanoi: true, which is why this can't be the major pathway by which mRNA vaccine eject their proteins. Killer T cells merely targeting (let alone killing) muscle cells is the hallmark of serious pathologies like inclusion body myositis, which is very hard to treat. With hundreds of millions of doses of mRNA vaccines administered, you'd expect significant reporting of long-term deltoid muscle strength loss, but nothing like that has been reported among the vaccine side effects. $\endgroup$ Commented Oct 31, 2021 at 23:46
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    $\begingroup$ @ManudeHanoi: also "Muscle fibers do not normally express major histocompatibility complex class I (MHC-I) molecules, and their reexpression is a hallmark of inflammatory myopathies" pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23850081 Basically skeletal muscle cells are unkillable by killer T cells under most conditions. $\endgroup$ Commented Nov 2, 2021 at 15:51

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